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So no matter what, a team would have to compete with action, not inaction. And if the WFTDA says their skaters are “Real, Strong, Athletic, Revolutionary,” then it’s time for them to put their money where their mouth is and prove it by showing their skaters are strong and athletic, not weak and apathetic.

  • Posted by MichaelJohn Swassing on 28 September 2011 at 8:40 pm

    I’ve used your blog post here as a starting point for a discussion in a Facebook Note and a set of polls, here notes/michaeljohn-swassing/improving-on-no-start-jams-in-roller-derby/10150396967151214

    Anyone following this issue should feel free to click a friend request over to me. I’m friendly.

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  • Posted by Jodee Benavides on 29 September 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Greetings,

    I coach the Brewcity Battlestars (Their “B” level travel team. I am a huge advocate of treating this like a physical sport.

    Even with the modern rules of split-pack and no-pack strategies I feel there is way for teams to overcome this (though I do like your ideas very much, especially the single whistle, you could could make sure all blockers must line up within ten feet of the pivot line giving a 20 foot cushion).

    Basically derby is a game of push and pull, players must learn to apply pressure from all angles and learn how to cope.

    I coach the concept of what I call “pressure back” basically cutting off lanes of forward progress.

    This is most important under the current rule set that allows teams with a power jam advantage to to be back away pussies or implement the trapped goat strategy. Basically I teach them to not run away like break-away pussies and stand their ground. The team with the power jam like you mention are basically NOT blocking their jammer through so the team at a disadvantage is free to wall up where they wish.

    Line up behind the goat and make your stand. Make the jammer go through a meatgrinder to get her points. Most jammers are not used to true physical abuse. I have had some success conditioning skaters to stop a full speed jammer on the dime by building a phalanx.

    Eventually coaches should be able to teach their teams to establish frontal pack dominance and stay within play of the rear wall and play good defense. That is what I am working towards.

    This is where strong, physical blockers will dominate over the uber-athletic.

    Jodee

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  • Posted by thebigchuckbowski on 29 September 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Both teams would NEED to control the front of the pack.

    If a team is in the back and they get lead jammer, the other team can just run out the clock by staying in front of the blockers that have lead jammer moving at a high speed.

    If a team is in the back and they don’t get lead jammer, they’re in a position that allows all of their blockers to be potentially goated. Their only means for speeding the pack up is to get every single one of their blockers past every single one of the other blockers while at the same time trying to stop the other team’s jammer. That would pretty much be impossible so they would just have to sit in the back and try to wall up and block with the pack at a standstill (not really solving what you want to solve).

    So, both teams, in EVERY jam, would be gunning for the front of the pack between jams. As in, sprinting onto the track as soon as the previous jam is over and jostling for position even though they shouldn’t actually be blocking because play isn’t in session (this is stupid and also gives the team whose bench is closest to the pivot line a big advantage). Once the jam is started, both teams would try to gain control of the front by continuously speeding up. This gives the jammers almost no chance of even completing their first pass, let alone actually scoring.

    I’m really not getting why this is a good solution?

    Also, if I’m not mistaken, that sets up this ridiculous situation: Team A has a jammer and 4 blockers. Team B has a pivot and blocker, rest are in the penalty box.

    Team B’s skaters get out front and skate away with nothing that Team A can do to stop them.

    So, basically, Team A has a power jam and a 4-2 pack advantage and can’t do anything to score.

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